Sen. Rob Portman backs same-sex marriage

joiler

Well-known member
Amazing how these hypocritical POS are able to so quickly change their mind and do a complete flip flop on an issue when it becomes personal.
 

sattec

EX Dish Network Retailer
Amazing how these hypocritical POS are able to so quickly change their mind and do a complete flip flop on an issue when it becomes personal.

Yeah, I agree, both parties....pos for sure. Incrediable how the public doesn't protest or even see what's going on...I think people are too busy making a living.
 
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sattec

EX Dish Network Retailer
example please

easy, cut the debt in half during first term, it became better for him personally:))) to add 6 trillion in debt rather than cut the debt.....point is he changed his mind to suit his needs, not really, he never really intended to cut anything....it was more like a flat out lie....like everybody in politics does, lie.
 
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GARY DIAMOND

(((tRump HATER)))
easy, cut the debt in half during first term, it became better for him personally:))) to add 6 trillion in debt rather than cut the debt.....point is he changed his mind to suit his needs, not really, he never really intended to cut anything....it was more like a flat out lie....like everybody in politics does, lie.

is that personal
 

y2k

Former Dish Network Sufferer
this isn't anything that becomes all that personal on any overnight basis.....though the cheney thing was instructive......it's all about the political climate, which is obviously warming up to equality of partnership.....

i can go back to the 70s about this debate, and i mulled it over, and.....i came up with, why would religion get bent out of shape over state contractual law? isn't there indeed a recognized separation of church and state, to where religions certainly don't want the state getting into THEIR business as to what they bless.....? thus why religion so insecure about states' statutes which are not coercive of them?

nothing the state may sanction has any effect upon what religions believe and practice.....religions have their own doctrinal standards for intermarriage, such as to be a union which is recognized and venerated by that religion.....for instance, you cannot be married before the justice of the peace, and then simply convert to catholicism as having a church-recognized marriage....you have to have any existing or proposed union scrutinized for doctrinal validity, such as not having unannulled previous marriage, state or otherwise, among numerous other tests ('god's pitbull', ratzinger, before pope, was basically the church supreme court of appeal), and subsequently affirmed through the church.....

the problem as i saw it was that churches and states used the same term, marriage, to actually mean different things- a holy sacrament, in catholics' case, and essentially a domestic bill of protections in the states'- but it came to generally be viewed as this 'one thing', meaning, a religiously-overtoned institution, whether participants (or those denied) have any religiousity or not.....a secular state has no business in applying religious mores to a partnership contract (though they may of course apply community moral standards, such as to promote the good order).....religions may like the idea of having states in their pockets as to marriage restrictions, but states have no business being there.....

let the church compete with the state.....if the church's marriage outshines the state's, let the people vote with their hearts, minds and feet.....the state should provide only a framework for reasonable order.....religions that see their ideals of marriage as somehow sullied and threatened by secular state standards should self-examine as to their insecurities....

we're not going back to sodomy laws, and we're now inexorably moving to partnership equality in law
 
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eloutlet

Well-known member
example please

  • Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.

  • Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.

  • Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.

  • Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.

  • Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.

  • Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.

  • Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.

  • Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.

  • Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.

  • Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.
 
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GARY DIAMOND

(((tRump HATER)))
  • Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.

  • Campaigned against the Bush tax cuts; then extended all of them.

  • Promised to cut the deficit in half by the end of his first term; then proposed trillion dollar deficits.

  • Vowed the unemployment rate would be below 8% if his stimulus was passed; but then it broke 10%.

  • Promised shovel ready jobs; then admitted they weren’t shovel ready.

  • Said if you like your health plan you can keep it; but then threw seniors off Medicare Plus and employers are now saying they’ll dump people onto the public exchange.

  • Promised to have health care negotiations on live TV, but then reversed himself.

  • Indicated Bush violated the Constitution; then carried out warrantless wiretaps, indefinite detentions, secret renditions, quadrupled drone attacks, and kept Guantanamo Bay open. Voted against the Patriot Act, but then supported its extension.

  • Said lobbyists wouldn’t work in the White House; then gave them waivers to work there.

  • Vowed to take public financing for his 2008 campaign; then refused public financing when he realized he would receive more money without it.

Medicare Plus is not a federal government plan
 
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joiler

Well-known member
Voted against increasing the debt limit; then supported raising it.
WHY TALK ABOUT THAT; WHEN ITS STILL BAKING IN THE OVEN

There is no reason to talk about it. They have repeatedly raised it in the past and will continue to do so in the future. They are not interested in saving America, rather their priority is to enhance their own personal portfolio and securing a high dollar position with a firm that has been a large campaign contributor.

They are groomed to be corrupt before they are even elected, not too surprising since all they have done all their life is lie.

Change we can believe in????

I believe........we will change faces........Just exactly who will be the next to F@@@ us, Who Cares? I 'believe' we will just get F@@@ed again.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.....only worse.
 
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